Thought they had a mushy bottom out at first, but after using them for a few days I started to really dig them. Which was surprising, since I've always preferred hard bottom outs. The factory lubing is pretty good, and with lots of modding potential, there's no surprise that these are considered timeless classics.
factory lube is pretty bad, if you are planning to manually relube get black bottom milky tops, they are smoother even stock without some weird leaf sound
Gorgeous product. These do seem more expensive than they cost. The long travel distance and subdued tone make these easy to be quiet with, but they sound mellow and full under attack. I see why some say this is an ideal daily driver